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Author:  Shezza [ Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Casa Marin Cartagena PN "Lo Abarca" 2005 £12.95 @
OK, so first thing to warn you all about... when you go to a big wine tasting SPIT SPIT SPIT !!!
If you're not gonna heed this advice my next piece of advice is don't take your credit card with you !!

I stumbled (literally) on this on the way out of a night time tasting having been downing wine for 3 hrs straight (following an earlier lunch at Gaucho Grill with friends accompanied by beer and Malbec)
No dinner and a lot of drinking does funny things to my head!
I onviced myself this was fantastic at the time and along with a friend ordered 16 bottles !! :shock:

Anyway.... this isn't a bad wine, the major problem is the booze content: 14.6%. Makes it a too heavy
Farmyard and cherries with a good punch of oak and nice tannins.
Again, just a shame about the alc content !!
This is definately a food wine, will be a good match with steak I think

Anyway...one bottle down just another 7 to go.... :oops:
Author:  Bacchus [ Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Casa Marin Cartagena PN "Lo Abarca" 2005 £12.9
At £12.95 I reckon that you have a good deal. I would remind you however that sobriety is next to g*dliness.
Author:  Shezza [ Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Casa Marin Cartagena PN "Lo Abarca" 2005 £12.9
Did I mention I also splashed out on 6 bottles of Bulgarian (yes Bulgarian for gawds sakes !!) Pinot noir too !!

Eduardo Miroglio PN @ 9.99 a bottle but I wasn't drunk at that point so think they were ok (and 13.5% alc this time)

Delivery due on Friday....
Author:  Bacchus [ Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:38 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Casa Marin Cartagena PN "Lo Abarca" 2005 £12.9
You might be on to something here. This mob is trying to modernise, and may well get there. I wouldn't wish to spend £13 just yet but there are distinct futures here.
Author:  Goosegogs [ Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:58 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Casa Marin Cartagena PN "Lo Abarca" 2005 £12.9
At £12.95 I reckon that you have a good deal.

Hang on....you don't like red wine and you don't like paying £13 for a bottle. The wine is 14.6% alcohol and even a red wine lover is having a problem with it and you say it's a good deal :shock:

You might be on to something here. This mob is trying to modernise, and may well get there. I wouldn't wish to spend £13 just yet but there are distinct futures here.

Tell me i've missed something.
Author:  GK [ Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:19 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Casa Marin Cartagena PN "Lo Abarca" 2005 £12.9
Shezza wrote:
Anyway.... this isn't a bad wine, the major problem is the booze content: 14.6%. Makes it a too heavy


I can’t seem to find anything online relating to Chilean wine law that refers specifically to alcohol content and variation permitted.

For example, in the US a wine must be within 1.5% of the stated content on the label. A 14% wine could in fact be 15.4% alc. In most of Europe it must be within .5%

If Chilean wines follow the US standard, you could be looking at a wine of 16% alc., I don’t think they do though.

Mel, do you know?
Author:  Shezza [ Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Casa Marin Cartagena PN "Lo Abarca" 2005 £12.9
Don't get me wrong - its not like its rocket fuel. Just too heavy to drink as a quaffer on its own

Just that I think PN needs to be a bit softer than this.
That said I think this would be a great steak wine as it wouldn't get lost with any deep meety flavour.

I think my justification for buying it was that it was similar to Cono Sur's 20 Barrels PN which usually retails at £20 in waitrose (down to 14.99 atm with the 25% offer currently running) so did seem like good value at the time (Altho I was doing a pretty good Rowley Birkin QC impression at that time :D )

Also RP's Chilean guy rated it 90 points which altho isn't gospel, has to be a fair guide.
Shame none of you guys are local enough to join me for a bottle
Author:  Bacchus [ Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:44 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Casa Marin Cartagena PN "Lo Abarca" 2005 £12.9
https://wineofcourse.com/fine_wine_cham ... p/cPath/91

http://www.emiroglio-wine.com/aboutus.html
Author:  Bacchus [ Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:46 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Casa Marin Cartagena PN "Lo Abarca" 2005 £12.9
http://www.reservewines.co.uk/acatalog/ ... _Noir.html
Author:  Shezza [ Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Casa Marin Cartagena PN "Lo Abarca" 2005 £12.9
Blimey ! 20 quid ?! Happy days....

Nice bit of surfing there young man. Hadn't come across that sight on the Cartagena.

Have seen the Miroglio site.
Ordered them from swig.co.uk's stand (their website is down for a week or 2 at the moment)
Usually 11.99 but show offer was 9.99 with free delivery and a copy of their wine atlas (rrp £18.99 (appparently))
Author:  Duncan [ Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Casa Marin Cartagena PN "Lo Abarca" 2005 £12.9
Just that I think PN needs to be a bit softer than this.
That said I think this would be a great steak wine as it wouldn't get lost with any deep meety flavour.

This is an unfiltered wine, after lying on the lees for quite a while. No, too much softness is a sign of weekness, What about acidity ? Does it currently cut the palate a bit. Good NSG, Pommard and Santenay are not soft, it is not a perfumed or bouquet'd pinot is it ?

I would be tempted to cellar that one for 3 years or so, provided the finish is not drying at this point in time (4 years on). It could be rather good after throwing a sediment, and blacking out the inside of one side.

The heaviness will have subsided, and although still a tad warm at 14.5%, it could be a very nice glass of earthy and spicy pinot noir. Is there a hint of bretty farmyard in there ?

Good luck with it Shezza, I'll take 3 bottles off you :)
Author:  Bacchus [ Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Casa Marin Cartagena PN "Lo Abarca" 2005 £12.9
It seems that Bulgaria (and other E.European countries) being out from under USSR communism are improving their wines. Much wine from these parts could have undisclosed fruits and veg along with grapes in them. Now with EU regs and commercial freedom they are investing money in stainless steel, computers and the like. Give them a few years...
Author:  Shezza [ Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Casa Marin Cartagena PN "Lo Abarca" 2005 £12.9
keep an eye out for Asia too apparently.

China's already got a couple of semi established producers...
Author:  Shezza [ Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Casa Marin Cartagena PN "Lo Abarca" 2005 £12.9
Duncan wrote:

This is an unfiltered wine, after lying on the lees for quite a while. No, too much softness is a sign of weekness, What about acidity ? Does it currently cut the palate a bit. Good NSG, Pommard and Santenay are not soft, it is not a perfumed or bouquet'd pinot is it ?

I would be tempted to cellar that one for 3 years or so, provided the finish is not drying at this point in time (4 years on). It could be rather good after throwing a sediment, and blacking out the inside of one side.

The heaviness will have subsided, and although still a tad warm at 14.5%, it could be a very nice glass of earthy and spicy pinot noir. Is there a hint of bretty farmyard in there ?

Good luck with it Shezza, I'll take 3 bottles off you :)


Dunc,
will have to come back to you on the acidity (can't recall at the moment) altho don't think I got that mouthwatering effect that I do with some other PN that I concider to have good level of acidity.

Was thinking about keeping it for a while to see what happens - afterall, I've got 7 bottles left once I've finished this so can do a semi annual tasting to see how it goes

Has definately what I'd describe as farmyard and earthiness on both nose and plate. Probably eminating from the the heavy amount of oak.

tbf in hindsight I think I quite like it but just was taken aback by it being bigger than I was anticipating (this is like the Nikolay Valuev of PN).

Out meeting clients this evening so unlikely I'll get to have a second bite of the apple/cherry (which is the more commonly used phrase?) tonight
(....altho I could just open one of the bottles currently sitting under my desk... :D)
Author:  Duncan [ Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Casa Marin Cartagena PN "Lo Abarca" 2005 £12.9
Has definately what I'd describe as farmyard and earthiness on both nose and plate. Probably eminating from the the heavy amount of oak.

Hmmnn - sorta commodious in all its dimensions. Hmmnn, shame I can't pop round and give it a go. Interesting. Oak not too heavy for all that black fruit contained within ?

J2K leaves a tasting note on cellar tracker, says the burning tyre note leaves after 2 hours - :wink:

He says more Californian in style ??? Not Napa Carneros style at all from what he said ! Dont know others.

Cheers for that follow-up Shezza.
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