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Caves St Pierre Gigondas Prefernce 2005
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Author:  Shezza [ Mon Feb 08, 2010 1:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Caves St Pierre Gigondas Prefernce 2005
Brought round by a friend on Saturday night.

In march of last year Duncan said the following:
Duncan wrote:
I had some Gigondas 2005 from this Co-op and it was good, It is light, but so is the money. Drink up, leave it and it goes flabby, and the fruit drops off - not enough structure - Structrure is much bigger money.


I couldn't agree more with what has been said here. I found it weak and thin with little fruit and no length whatsoever.
The first glass was the best but do not let it breathe it needs to be drunk straight away
Pretty unimpressive.
Tescos have a cheek to still sell this. especially as they apparently shelve it in a kind of fine wine section (my friend thought he was bringing a serious wine along with him as he now considers me a wine nerd)
I didn't have he heart to tell him it was a bit of a lame duck (hope he doesn't look it up in google now :))
fortunately I had it along with beer and home made curry so the lack of flavour wasn't really missed as the beer and food were very good

GK, I had an improvised verion of your tzatziki receipe for my raita (slightly different measurements and added mint). Great with walkers sensations poppadoms and the curry
Author:  GK [ Mon Feb 08, 2010 2:29 pm ]
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Shezza wrote:
GK, I had an improvised verion of your tzatziki receipe for my raita (slightly different measurements and added mint). Great with walkers sensations poppadoms and the curry


Glad you enjoyed it :wink:
Author:  Duncan [ Mon Feb 08, 2010 4:09 pm ]
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Sorry bout the Gigondas Shez, It always dissapoints (on the table) when one's predictions are all too evident.

Thanks for confirmation, it has prompted me to stick post it notes on 2 of '05 CNDPs from C st.P, which must be served to 4 or 5 at once with light main course.

Curiously, my exp. indicates that the vintage tables at the cheap end were almost reversed '03 & '05 in southern rhone
I found that this Co-op's '03 CNDP super ripe fruit and dark skin on low level grapes kept them going for 4 yrs and filled in most of the holes except length. Whilst at single domaine quality, the 2005's were supreme for ageing. At the expensive end, some tasters were saying that the '03 Coudoulet de Beau was old'ish last year at 6, yet on the Co-op basis, you could'ave expected a little more.

:idea: P'raps ,more hard working growers made their own or collaborated with the quality '05 harvest, than sell to Co-op.
Author:  Shezza [ Mon Feb 08, 2010 4:47 pm ]
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As I feared.... just checked Cellar Tracker and I have a bottle of this producer's 2004 CNDP sitting under the stairs.
Don't hold much hope for it
oh well, one to drink up (or give to a non wine lover ;)) I guess

Have a couple of 2005 from an unknown producer as well that I envisage being pretty pathetic too
Author:  Duncan [ Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:02 pm ]
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Shez, those unknown '05's will be OK - No need to get so downbeat. Loads of less than illustrious '05's have been good.

We always take a punt with half dosh Dave's faint whats'it, and you only have One - you R lucky :wink: .
Author:  Duncan [ Thu Feb 18, 2010 2:24 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Caves St Pierre Gigondas Prefernce 2005
Shezza wrote:
As I feared.... just checked Cellar Tracker and I have a bottle of this producer's 2004 CNDP sitting under the stairs.
Don't hold much hope for it
oh well, one to drink up (or give to a non wine lover ;)) I guess

Have a couple of 2005 from an unknown producer as well that I envisage being pretty pathetic too


producer's 2004 CNDP drink up Shez, could be ok.


Shez, I opened a bottle of the Caves St Pierre Chateau Neuf 2005 last night and finished it this evening. It was on the mustard coloured label.

It was quite good for the price paid. OK not anywhere near Clos de L'Oratoire, cos there is little or no decipherable oak at CSP, but the fruit evolution was ok, and the nose better next day. I think this CNDP has too much weak and pale Carignan in the Grenache mix, a little Syrah, but no dark Mouvedre, so it isn’t ever going to be a star with coffee, vanilla and provencal Garique notes.

But it was an £8.99 or so special at Xmas 2007, so no complaints at all actually.

I thought my timing for drinking this, was perfect for this light one 8)
Author:  Shezza [ Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:46 pm ]
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thanks for the info Duncan,

Will look to pop the cork on this one next then I guess...

Also found out what the mystery 2005 CNDP was: Cuvee des Antiques 2005
Author:  Duncan [ Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:30 pm ]
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Shezza wrote:
thanks for the info Duncan,

Will look to pop the cork on this one next then I guess...

Also found out what the mystery 2005 CNDP was: Cuvee des Antiques 2005


That is a much better wine than the Tesco Caves Saint What's it. Your Ogier wine is in a different league.

Notice Syrah and Mourvedre are in higher quantities, plus Ogier oak - No Worries There.

Your Ogier des Antiques will go..... On for the 2005 vintage.

Please read the BBR Rhone report, it is a PDF, so can't easily paste it here - it confirms that decent CNDP for the '05 is a vin de guarde and a real keeper.

Shez - dont fret - enjoy :) - this wine, probably peeking at end of -12' /'13 I'd say, and quite slow to fall over as well.
Author:  Shezza [ Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:59 pm ]
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Duncan wrote:
Shez, I opened a bottle of the Caves St Pierre Chateau Neuf 2005 last night and finished it this evening. It was on the mustard coloured label.

It was quite good for the price paid. OK not anywhere near Clos de L'Oratoire, cos there is little or no decipherable oak at CSP, but the fruit evolution was ok, and the nose better next day. I think this CNDP has too much weak and pale Carignan in the Grenache mix, a little Syrah, but no dark Mouvedre, so it isn’t ever going to be a star with coffee, vanilla and provencal Garique notes.

But it was an £8.99 or so special at Xmas 2007, so no complaints at all actually.

I thought my timing for drinking this, was perfect for this light one 8)


am sitting here with the 2004 cndp.
Certainly isn't blowing me away
deep red in colour yet translucent
little bit of cheese rind on the nose which I tend to like in wine
All the flavour is upfront and tails off a little but there is a refreshing element
Lack of oak is very evident and to me disappointing.
Like you say Duncan, this is definately a drink up now as I don't think this has much more legs left

just uncovered 2 other 2004 cndp from other producers under the stairs.
Le Puits du Neuf cndp 04 and le pierrey cndp 2004.
Not been able to find anything on either of these so far
Author:  Duncan [ Sat Feb 20, 2010 1:05 am ]
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Le Puits du Neuf cndp 04 - Several Restaurents have it on their wine lists and one Hamper supplier. There is a Rue le Puits in the Town, so it may be a local leftovers cuvee sold through cash & carry outlets

'04 TBH Shez, is not a vintage at the CNDP budget end, that I would have bought. As you know, you should side step, and at the budget end '03 - '05 - '07 are the good'uns. Stock up on '07 for the mo.


Still, I'm clearing duff stuff tonight.
Someone bought me a 2006 Reserve Saint Clare Lussac St Emilion supplied by Yonne Mau. The bulk tank négociant YM. Why she's abreviated herself to tiny initials now - who knows.

How is it ? Dryish finish, mainly dry damson and sloe skin. 1st palate ok, with some St Em characteristics, tails off very quickly, mouth feel is poor. Could be much worse.
Probably better with cold meat and crusty bread, like a beef sandwich without salt or mustard.

Worth £7 - 8. I must clear space.
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